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Resolved: The use of torture by the United States to obtain information vital to preventing terrorist acts by foreign agents is moral.


Topic Overview

Part I               Introduction

As you have undoubtedly noticed, the resolution, “Resolved: The use of torture by the United States to obtain information vital to preventing terrorist acts by foreign agents is moral.” is not the selected topic for either the NFL or the UIL, nor is it, at least at the time this is being written, a potential topic for either organization.  Our company selected this topic primarily because we think it is a good one. 
The War on Terror has made the subject of torturing suspected terrorists a common subject for both the print and broadcast media.  The Bush administration, while it condemns torture and denies using it as a tool, also admits to using what has been deemed “stress and duress” techniques on some suspects while transferring others to allied countries with, to put it mildly, a more liberal attitude toward the use of torture.  Most astute people will recognize that “stress and duress” is merely a euphemism for torture, a kind of “torture light.”

We also selected this topic because it offers an excellent opportunity for clash between two of the major schools of thought on morality, utilitarianism and deontology.  A few scholars, most notably Alan Dershowitz of Harvard University, have come out is support of the use of torture.  (Professor Dershowitz supports the use of torture warrants to keep the practice legal, open, and limited.)  These scholars face great opposition from those who denounce any use of torture as immoral.  Those in favor of torture see the potential for saving thousands, possibly millions, of lives.  Those opposed to torture see the government sanctioning an immoral act that will hurt innocents and legitimize the practice of torture.

After September 11th, it became clear that the United States is just as much a target for terrorists as Israel.  Israel has been using torture for years to prevent terrorist attacks.  Israel has used, what Professor Dershowitz advocates, torture warrants, to keep the practice transparent.  While it has practiced torture openly, it has not done so without debate.  There have been many legal battles in Israel over this practice with mixed decisions.  The US, if it continues the War on Terror, and it seems likely it will, and if it continues to hold detainees without trial and subject them to “stress and duress,” is very likely to parallel the experiences of Israel in this debate.  We can already see evidence of this in cases before our higher courts. 

We think that as the War on Terror continues, it is a subject that just might be picked by a forensics organization somewhere.  We, at The Forensics Files think that if the country is going to engage in torture, it is a policy that certainly merits debate. 

Part II             The Affirmative

There is one major advantage to debating affirmative on this topic, and there is one major disadvantage.  The major advantage is that while most people will profess that torture is not a practice that they want their government engaged in, they would also confess to agreement with Philosopher Michael Levin in the following ‘ticking bomb’ scenario he outlined:  "Suppose a terrorist has hidden an atomic bomb on Manhattan Island which will detonate at noon on July 4 unless ... here follow the usual demands for money and release of his friends from jail. Suppose, further, that he is caught at 10 a.m on the fateful day, but preferring death to failure, won't disclose where the bomb is. What do we do? If we follow due process, wait for his lawyer, arraign him, millions of people will die. If the only way to save those lives is to subject the terrorist to the most excruciating possible pain, what grounds can there be for not doing so?  I suggest there are none." Even some of the opponents of torture will begrudgingly admit that torture be warranted in such a scenario. 

            The major problem with debating this topic on affirmative is that it is just plain difficult to find too many advocates of torture whose last name isn’t Hussein or Bin Laden.  On a Google or Lexis search for articles on torture, the vast majority of the articles on the subject will be adamantly opposed to torture at any time for any reason.  This is also the case when looking for books on the subject.  Even the Bush administration, which to some degree is engaged in at the least, “torture light,” won’t offer the affirmative much assistance with their own condemnation of the practice.  There are some individuals who will defend the need for torture, but the affirmative will have to look hard for them.

            It is the position of The Forensics Files that the affirmative must take a completely unapologetic approach to the resolution.  The affirmative is not defending that torture is a necessary evil.  The affirmative is arguing that torture, to prevent terrorist attacks, is moral.  This does not allow any room for the affirmative to grant that the practice is an intrinsic evil, that it is bad, or that it is even unfortunate.  The affirmative must look at this through the lens of saving thousands or more lives.  In our opinion, this gives the affirmative two strong approaches to the resolution.

            The first approach is a straight up defense of the utilitarian perspective.  This is the argument that the lives of many outweigh the life, or more accurately, the pain of one person.  This position is enhanced by the fact that the lives that torturing will save are innocent lives while the person who is being tortured is not an innocent.  This is a person who has rejected any peaceful approach to persuading others to his or her cause.  The terrorist is one who has embraced the use of violence to achieve political ends.  The affirmative must be willing to defend the idea that the lives of the innocent are more important than the comfort of the guilty.

            The affirmative can look at this as being similar to both criminal justice and national defense.  Ignoring the idea of torture for the moment, the US recognizes the fact that those who engage in criminal behavior forfeit the majority of the rights, imprisonment, if not all of them, capital punishment.  When someone engages in criminal behavior, society can lock them up in a small cell, force them to do manual labor, inspect their mail, search their bodies and possessions, and force them to make restitution for their crimes.  Some might eve describe this as torture.  The affirmative can easily draw parallels between the criminal who forfeits his or her rights and the terrorist, for the exact same reason.  The affirmative can also, as we do in the affirmative case we offer, explain that in times of war, the military has the right, even the obligation, to kill in defense of the population.  If the military can kill enemy combatants, it seems logical that it can torture them as well.  The affirmative does not have to defend indiscriminate torture of those in custody.  Just as soldiers have the right to kill as long as the battle is ongoing, it would seem that the battle is still ongoing for detainees who have knowledge that places many citizens in peril.

            Another approach the affirmative can take is a pragmatic one.  The affirmative can argue from the perspective that there is no such thing as an absolute morality.  The affirmative can be prepared to attack the negative for advocating an absolutist approach, if the negative does, with many implications such as the denial of reason, etc.  The affirmative can simply argue that in certain cases, such as the ‘ticking bomb’ scenario, some action must be taken.  The affirmative can argue that once the war is over, since morality is conditional, we may elect to condemn the use of torture, but to prevent its use now would jeopardize too many people.  The affirmative can also argue that in emergencies, the rules of morality change as support for the argument for conditional ethics.

            Both of these approaches will require the affirmative to do some work to prove that torture actually works.  There is some evidence out there that supports this claim.  It is hard to find, but we have provided some both in the affirmative case and in the extensions.  There are many arguments, from credible sources, that argue torture does not work.  The affirmative must be prepared to answer these.  In addition to finding evidence that supports the idea that it does work, the affirmative can offer ways to improve the accuracy of information given under torture, such as the verification method suggested by Professor Dershowitz.

            Finally, the affirmative must be prepared to answer a large number of negative arguments.  These arguments include the idea that once torture is condoned, it is impossible to contain.  Another is the idea that torture actually causes more terrorism and backlash against the country using it.  A third argument the negative is likely to make is that torture violates domestic and international law.  Finally, the affirmative must be able to defend the moral perspective of utilitarianism or pragmatism against the deontological, or absolutist approach.  We have provided blocks to help affirmatives defend against these arguments.  We highly recommend doing some independent research and reading, especially to become more familiar with the criticism of the various moral approaches.

           

Part III             The Negative

            Because there are a wider variety of articles and advocates of not using torture, a larger variety of arguments exist for the negative.  This gives the negative more flexibility in regards to different arguments when constructing cases.  Since fewer arguments exist for the affirmative side, they will be more predictable and thus the negative will have to be prepared for fewer arguments.  However, the affirmative arguments to most of the negative’s contentions will be very strong. 

            There are two main ways that the negative can approach the topic.  The first is the deontological perspective.  In the sample negative case provided below, we chose to use part of Immanuel Kant’s Categorical Imperative that humans should never be used as a means, but always as an end in themselves.  Kant argues that certain absolute moral rules exist and that each person should follow those rules regardless of the consequences.  Treating a person as a means, such as torture to obtain information, would be using a human to achieve another end and thus would be immoral.  This point of view is a strong weapon for the negative because, even if the affirmative wins that torture works and has positive results, all the negative has to do is win that torture is immoral and, thus, not morally justified. 

            The negative will have to go beyond saying that torture uses people as a means to end and thus is immoral.  Other ways in which the negative can prove that the use of torture is immoral is because it denies the dignity of humans.  In order for a human being to treat another human in such a way that inflicts pain on them to achieve some end, a mental process takes place.  In this process, the torturer strips those tortured of their humanity so that the use of violence can be justified towards them, which they wouldn’t necessarily inflict upon other people.  David Berube, a professor of speech communications at the University of South Carolina writes in Nanotechnology Magazine, “When people become things, they become dispensable.  When people are dispensible, any and every atrocity can be justified.  Once justified, they seem to be inevitable…”  This violates Kant’s Categorical Imperative because torture, obviously, dehumanizes individuals and allows them to be treated as a means to an end.

            Secondly, the use of torture violates fundamental human rights and allows the government to define what is moral or immoral.  This would allow the government to use torture or any other form of violating rights that it deemed moral.  Once these acts are justified, as Berube argues, they become inevitable.  This might be more applicable in a governmental realm where officials of the government now have more techniques to use to obtain information.  Mark Twain once wrote, "To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail."  Similarly, once it is justified for the government to have the tool of torture, its use might spillover into other situations that don't involve obtaining information about terrorist attacks.

            Finally, the United States government condemns the use of torture to obtain information, but often uses "stress and duress" techniques to obtain information from detainees at Guantanimo Bay and, oftentimes, sends them to other countries to be tortured.  However,  the United States currently denies torturing captives in the War on Terror and condemns the use of torture internationally.  Whenever the United States justifies using torture, for whatever means, it hurts its leverage to have other countries stop using torture.  The negative can argue that the United States has a moral duty to condemn torture both at home and abroad.

           We chose to take this first approach to the topic to allow the negative to engage the affirmative on both criterions: utilitarianism and deontology.  However, if the negative wishes to avoid a Kantian debate, there are many strong arguments against torture on the utilitarian level.  These arguments are that torture won't work, the information obtained from torture isn't credible, using torture in some circumstances allows it to be used in others, torture violates both international and domestic law and that alternate methods to torture exist.

           If the negative wins that torture won't work, then the affirmative can claim little to no benefits to using torture.  There are many persuasive arguments as to why torture won't work.  First of all, when someone is tortured, they will say anything and everything to end the physical and/or psychological pain.  This could lead interrogators to investigate that information and lose valuable time trying to verify the information and have to start over again.  Torture methods might also cause someone to confess to being knowing about terrorist activities when they really don't, to just stop the pain.  An important argument for the negative to make is that intelligence officials can never be sure if they have the right person.  If torture is justified, then there is no limit to the number of people can be tortured to find a person that knows about terrorist attacks.  For example, do we torture just the one person suspected of knowing about a terrorist attack, or can we torture everyone that terrorist knows to get more information, or do we torture everyone that knows someone who knows the person suspected of having information about a terrorist attack?  There's no line to be drawn when torture is justified.  Finally, a person may be in such a state of shock that the information they give, even if intended to be accurate, is articulated as something that might be remotely true.

           Additionally, there are many international laws and treaties that the United States is a signatory to that prohibit the use of torture.  The negative can argue that the United States has a moral obligation to uphold its international agreements not to use torture.  It can also be argued that torture violates the fundamental principles of the United States constitution specifically the use of "cruel and unusual punishment" and lack of due process rights.  There also might be some moral implications that the negative can articulate as to why the United States has a moral obligation to uphold the constitution.

          Finally, other methods exist to decrease the threats of terrorist attacks that aren't morally reprehensible. For example, increasing security checkpoints in various areas are a less intrusive way to go about solving terrorism.  If the negative can win that terrorism won't work and/or that there are alternate ways to go about decreasing the threat of terrorism, then the negative only needs to win a risk that torture is bad in order to win that it is not morally justified in a utilitarian calculus.  The other arguments from the deontological calculus can be used to prove that torture is bad in order to win that it isn't justified in utilitarianism either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Definitions

Torture -     the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or  information, or for sheer cruelty.    
	Source: Infoplease Encyclopedia and Dictionary 2003
 
 Torture -     1) a : anguish of body or mind b : something that causes agony or pain 
	2) the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure                     
		Source: Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary 2004
 
 Torture -    1) The infliction of severe bodily pain, as punishment or a means of persuasion; spec. judicial torture, inflicted by a judicial or quasi-judicial authority, 
	for the purpose of forcing an accused or suspected person to confess, or an unwilling witness to give evidence or information; a form of this (often in pl.). 
	to put to (the) torture, to inflict torture upon, to torture. . 
	2) Severe or excruciating pain or suffering (of body or mind); anguish, agony, torment; the infliction of such.                
		Source: Oxford English Dictionary Online 2004
 
Torture -      1) Infliction of severe physical pain as a means of punishment or coercion.
	2) An instrument or a method for inflicting such pain.            
	3) Excruciating physical or mental pain; agony: the torture of waiting in suspense. Something causing severe pain or anguish.     
		Source: American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000.
 
United States. – 1) The government of the United States  2) The American nation or its people            
		Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. 
		Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
 
Obtain    come into possession of
	     Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
 
Obtain -      To get hold of by effort; to gain possession of; to procure; to acquire, in any way.
	     Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

 \Vital –    1) Necessary to the continuation of life; life-sustaining                  
                   2) Necessary to continued existence or effectiveness; essential               
                       Source:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition   
                      Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
 
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Vital –        1) Contributing to life; necessary to, or supporting, life 2) Very necessary; highly important; essential
                             Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Prevent – 1)
To keep from happening             
                  2) To keep (someone) from doing something; impede  
                          Source:
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton 
                        
                   Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Prevent To intercept; to hinder; to frustrate; to stop; to thwart              
 
                      
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon     
                                  Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University
 
Terrorist - One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.           
                                  Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
                                  Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
 

Terrorist act - the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in
                   nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear             
                                  Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

Foreign -       1) Of, characteristic of, or from a place or country other than the one being considered       
                       2) Subject to the jurisdiction of another political unit.         
                                  Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.                                   Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Foreign -         relating to or originating in or characteristic of another place or part of the world 
                                  WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

Agent One empowered to act for or represent another            
                 Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by
                 Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Agent - One who exerts power, or has the power to act; an actor
                 Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Moral - Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior
                 Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by
                 Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by
Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Moral - Conformed to accepted rules of right; acting in conformity with such rules; virtuous; just; as, a moral man      
                 Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Moral 1) relating to principles of right and wrong; i.e. to morals or ethics; "moral philosophy"
               2) concerned with principles of right and wrong or conforming to standards of behavior and character based on those principles;
               3) adhering to ethical and moral principles;
               4) arising from the sense of right and wrong; 5) based on strong likelihood or firm conviction rather than actual evidence; "a moral certainty"

                 Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Aff Case (6 Minutes)

 

	Philosopher Michael Levin asks the questions, “If you caught the terrorists could you sleep nights knowing that millions died 
because you couldn’t bring yourself to apply the electrodes?” It is because I know I couldn’t sleep that I must affirm the resolution that reads, 
“Resolved: The use of torture by the United States to obtain information vital to preventing terrorist acts by foreign agents is moral.”       
	Affirming achieves the value of a legitimate government defined as a government that fulfills the mandate for which it was created.  
The purpose of the US government is stated most clearly in the preamble to the Constitution that reads, in part, “We the people of the United States, 
in order to form a more perfect union…provide for the common defense…do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”  
Clearly, one of the most primary responsibilities of the US government is to defend the nation from foreign attack.  Securing the nation protects
 individual rights, fosters domestic tranquility, and creates an environment where the citizens of the nation can pursue personal values such as love, 
enlightenment, and prosperity.  Therefore, the criterion I offer to gauge the legitimacy of a government is the maintenance of national security.            
	In order to clarify the round, I offer the following definitions: Torture is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as The infliction of severe 
bodily pain, as punishment or a means of persuasion; spec. judicial torture, ‘inflicted by a judicial or quasi-judicial authority, for the purpose of forcing 
an accused or suspected person to confess, or an unwilling witness to give evidence or information.’  Vital is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary
 as, ‘Necessary to continued existence or effectiveness; essential.’ Prevent is defined from the same source as, ‘To keep from happening.’  Terrorist act 
is defined by TheFreeDictionary.com as, ‘the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or
 religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.’  And foreign is defined from The American Heritage
Dictionary as, ‘Subject to the jurisdiction of another political unit.’            
	My first observation is that the American people have a moral right to exist and therefore to self-defense.  Most every moral system 
recognizes the inherent right to life of every individual human being.  From this right come other rights and liberties such as the right of an individual to 
sustain his or her life, the idea of protecting the innocent, and the right, and some say duty, to self-defense.  In an article for Capitalism Magazine entitled
 “No Permission Needed,” Brett Schaefer writes, “The right to self-defense is a long-standing principle in international law, and the United Nations
 charter reflects this. “Nothing in the present charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against 
a member of the United Nations,” the 54-year-old U.N. charter states.”                 
	My second observation is that the US has the moral right to take all actions necessary in self-defense up to and including killing.  This is 
because individuals forfeit their right to life when they use or attempt to use force to deprive people of their own right to life.  If the US has the moral 
right to kill those who have forfeited this right, it has the right to use torture on them as well.                            
	My only contention is that torture is an effective method to maintain the national defense.                        
	A) Torture has successfully stopped terrorist attacks in the past.  Dana Priest and Barton Gellman wrote in The Washington Post, “Those 
who refuse to cooperate inside this secret CIA interrogation center are…subject to what are known as "stress and duress" techniques.  In a speech on 
Dec. 11, CIA director George J. Tenet said that interrogations overseas have yielded significant returns recently. He calculated that worldwide efforts to 
capture or kill terrorists had eliminated about one-third of the al Qaeda leadership. "Almost half of our successes against senior al Qaeda members has 
come in recent months," he said.  Many of these successes have come as a result of information gained during interrogations.”              
	B) Torture techniques work due to the hierarchy of loyalty.  Mark Bowden writing for The Observer Magazine explains, “Every large part 
of who a man is depends on his circumstances. No matter who he is before his arrest, his sense of self will blur in custody. Isolation, fear and deprivation
 force a man to retreat, to reorient himself and to reorder his priorities. For most men, Koubi says, the hierarchy of loyalty under stress is 1) self, 2) group, 
3) family, 4) friends. In other words, even the most dedicated terrorist (with very rare exceptions), when pushed hard enough, will act to preserve and 
protect himself at the expense of anyone or anything else. 'There's an old Arab saying,' Koubi says. '"Let one hundred mothers cry, but not my mother - 
but better my mother than me".” 
                C) Successful interrogations lead to more valuable information and reduce the need for further torture.  Mark Bowden, writing for The 
Observer Magazine explains, “There are many ways that scraps of information - gathered by old-fashioned legwork or the interrogation of a subject's
 associates - can be leveraged by a clever interrogator into something new. Those scraps might be as simple as knowing the names of a man's siblings or 
key associates, the name of his girlfriend, or a word or phrase that has special meaning to his group. Uncovering privileged details diminishes the aura of a 
secret society, whether it is a social club, a terrorist cell or a military unit. Joining such a group makes an individual feel distinct, important and superior, 
and invests even the most mundane of his activities with meaning. An interrogator who penetrates that secret society, unravelling its shared language, 
culture, history, customs, plans and pecking order, can diminish its hold on even the staunchest believer. Suspicion that a trusted comrade has betrayed 
the group - or the subject himself - undermines the sense of a secretly shared purpose and destiny. Armed with a few critical details, a skilled interrogator 
can make a subject doubt the value of information he has been determined to withhold. It is one thing to suffer in order to protect a secret, quite another 
to cling to a secret that is already out. This is how a well-briefed interrogator breaches a group's defences.”                
	D) Time considerations could leave no other options but to torture.  Philosopher Michael Levin explains a real possibility, “Suppose a terrorist 
has hidden an atomic bomb on Manhattan Island which will detonate at noon on July 4 unless ... here follow the usual demands for money and release 
of his friends from jail. Suppose, further, that he is caught at 10 a.m on the fateful day, but preferring death to failure, won't disclose where the bomb is. 
What do we do? If we follow due process, wait for his lawyer, arraign him, millions of people will die… There is little danger that the Western 
democracies will lose their way if they choose to inflict pain as one way of preserving order. Paralysis in the face of evil is the greater danger.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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Neg Case ( 3:30 Minutes)

	Professor of Law at the University of Essex, Rodley once stated, “It is a truism that man's inhumanity to man can thrive only if the torturer 
or the executioner can deny the humanity of his victim.”  It is because I agree with Professor Rodley, I must negate the resolution that reads, “Resolved: 
The use of torture by the United States to obtain information vital to preventing terrorist acts by foreign agents is moral.” Negating achieves the value 
of a moral society.  The American heritage Dictionary defines the word moral as, “Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior.”  The 
value of a moral society is virtually self-evident.  It is only in a moral society that the dignity of each and every human being is recognized.  Only in a 
moral society can people trust others to be honest, fair, just, and compassionate.  As each person is a member of society, and the human race, and 
because immorality harms others while morality benefits all, each person has a moral duty to strive to be moral.  To achieve a moral society, I offer the
criterion of Immanuel Kant’s Formula of the End Itself from his Categorical Imperative, which states: "Act in such a way that you always treat humanity, 
whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never simply as a means, but always at the same time as an end."  This is a proper standard 
of morality as any justification for using people as means inherently places the value of some people above those of others.  At this point, we can clearly 
see that torturing people as a means of obtaining information cannot meet my standard, and therefore cannot be moral.      In order to clarify the round, 
I offer the following definition of torture from Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary, “the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, or wounding) to 
punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure.”                
	My only contention is that torture is always immoral.              
	A) Torture inherently denies the dignity and humanity of the victim.  In The Treatment of Prisoners Under International Law Professor 
Rodley writes, “For one person to treat another in the ways that have been described above may, in the isolated case, be psychopathic behavior.  
But when such behavior is part of a systematic practice then something else is at work: the victim- must be- dehumanized, seen as an object.  This is 
the traditional and inevitable means of considering means of considering 'the enemy', be it class enemy, a race enemy, a religious enemy, or a foreign 
enemy.  Whatever the group, its members must be stripped of their inherent dignity as human beings in order to mobilize the rest against them.”               
	B) Morally justifying governmental torture serves as justification for sadists and threatens the rights of every person in a society.  Jeff Raskin 
explains in “The Flawed Calculus of Torture,” “Once you have condoned torture and murder as tools, they are taken up by those who use them to 
advance personal, criminal, or sectarian aims. By using torture, a government or organization defines what is moral…Officially protected torture offers
 a field day for sadists… Those living under a regime that uses torture have much to fear. They have no guarantee of due process, no presumption 
of innocence, no opportunity to present an opposing view to protect themselves. Their torturers believe they will find the justification for their work 
as the victim is being tortured…Torturers will display dead bodies and tell us what the victims would have revealed, had they not unfortunately died first.”
                 C) Justifying torture for any reason, undermines the ability of the US to discourage torture around the world, guaranteeing it will continue.  
Dan Gardner writing for the Ottawa Citizen explains, “"It undermines the ability of the...American government to make clear and forceful 
representations to any other governments that may be engaged in torture. Representations that torture must come to an end are dramatically 
undermined if a government has taken steps to allow torture to take place." It wouldn't matter if we were to say our use of torture would be only in 
extreme cases of national security…Those are precisely the kinds of excuses and justifications that repressive governments around the world use to 
justify their misdeeds and actions…to use that same language and those same excuses will simply fuel and encourage that practice elsewhere."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Extensions

Aff Extensions
A ticking bomb scenario justifies the use of torture
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
Suppose a terrorist has hidden an atomic bomb on Manhattan Island which will detonate at noon on July 4 unless ... here follow the usual demands for money and release of his friends from jail. Suppose, further, that he is caught at 10 a.m on the fateful day, but preferring death to failure, won't disclose where the bomb is. What do we do? If we follow due process, wait for his lawyer, arraign him, millions of people will die. If the only way to save those lives is to subject the terrorist to the most excruciating possible pain, what grounds can there be for not doing so? I suggest there are none. In any case, I ask you to face the question with an open mind.

Deaths that result from terrorist attacks outweigh torture.
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
Torturing the terrorist is unconstitutional? Probably. But millions of lives surely outweigh constitutionality. Torture is barbaric? Mass murder is far more barbaric. Indeed, letting millions of innocents die in deference to one who flaunts his guilt is moral cowardice, an unwillingness to dirty one's hands. If you caught the terrorist, could you sleep nights knowing that millions died because you couldn't bring yourself to apply the electrodes?

The loss of innocent lives outweighs the torture of guilty ones.
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
But torture, in the cases described, is intended not to bring anyone back but to keep innocents from being dispatched. The most powerful argument against using torture as a punishment or to secure confessions is that such practices disregard the rights of the individual. Well, if the individual is all that important, and he is, it is correspondingly important to protect the rights of individuals threatened by terrorists. If life is so valuable that it must never be taken, the lives of the innocents must be saved even at the price of hurting the one who endangers them.

Terrorists give up their rights when choosing to engage in random acts of violence.
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
There is an important difference between terrorists and their victims that should mute talk of the terrorists' "rights." The terrorist's victims are at risk unintentionally, not having asked to be endangered. But the terrorist knowingly initiated his actions. Unlike his victims, he volunteered for the risks of his deed. By threatening to kill for profit or idealism, he renounces civilized standards, and he can have no complaint if civilization tries to thwart him by whatever means necessary.

Torture could be the only way to save thousands of lives from terrorist acts.
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
There is little danger that the Western democracies will lose their way if they choose to inflict pain as one way of preserving order. Paralysis in the face of evil is the greater danger. Some day soon a terrorist will threaten tens of thousands of lives, and torture will be the only way to save them. We had better start thinking about this.

Torture is justified in a utilitarian framework
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
Torturing the ticking bomb terrorist can also be justified according to philosopher Jeremy Bentham's principle of utility. The utilitarian principle seeks to maximize the community's total good, pleasure, or happiness. On the one hand, if the terrorist suspect is not tortured, the suspect is spared from suffering pain, but thousands of innocent people die. On the other hand, if the terrorist suspect is tortured, he suffers pain, but thousands of innocent lives are saved. Thus, under Bentham's theory, it would be permissible to allow one terrorist suspect to suffer the pain from non-lethal torture in order to save thousands of innocent lives from a massive terrorist attack.

Torture is a necessary evil
Mark Bowden, "The Observer Magazine," "The Persuaders Part 1," October 19, 2003, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1066041,00.html
Torture is repulsive. It is deliberate cruelty, a crude and ancient tool of political oppression. It is commonly used to terrorise people, or to wring confessions out of suspected criminals who may or may not be guilty. It is the classic short cut for a lazy or incompetent investigator. Horrifying examples of torturers' handiwork are catalogued and publicised annually by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other organisations that battle such abuses worldwide. One cannot help sympathising with the innocent, powerless victims showcased in their literature.

Torture is morally justified to save lives
Mark Bowden, "The Observer Magazine," "The Persuaders Part 1," October 19, 2003, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1066041,00.html
But many veteran interrogators believe that the use of such methods to extract information is justified if it could save lives - whether by forcing an enemy soldier to reveal his army's battlefield positions or forcing terrorists to betray the details of ongoing plots. As these interrogators see it, the wellbeing of the captive must be weighed against the lives that might be saved by forcing him to talk. A method that produces life-saving information without doing lasting harm to anyone is not just preferable, it appears to be morally sound.

Despite any prohibition, torture will be used to save lives.
Alan Dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard University, “The Age,” “The Public Must Know If Torture Is Used,” March 15, 2003, Insight, Page 9 http://web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=76e04fce87f1541ce450dc7fe16cdaeb&_docnum=4&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkVA&_md5=4084923095c1f06c923c3fed44417def
No democracy has ever, or would ever, actually live by the purist position. If any democracy ever encountered an actual ticking-bomb-terrorist case - the capture of a terrorist who knows precisely where and when his colleague is about to detonate a nuclear device - torture would, in fact, be used as a last resort. The real question, therefore, is whether it is worse for that torture to be conducted in secret and then publicly denied, as the French did in Algeria, or whether it is worse for the US Government to acknowledge that it is making an exception to the general prohibition against torture in this case. There is no good, realistic, third alternative. This is a classic choice of evils.

It is unrealistic to think torture would not be used in extreme cases.
Alan Dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard University, “The San Francisco Chronicle,” “Want to torture? Get a warrant.” January 22, 2002, Editorial, Page A19
http://web.lexis-nexis.com/universe/document?_m=76e04fce87f1541ce450dc7fe16cdaeb&_docnum=8&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkVA&_md5=711094d05f1db964578c07af89279fc1
IF AMERICAN law enforcement officers were ever to confront the law school hypothetical case of the captured terrorist who knew about an imminent attack but refused to provide the information necessary to prevent it, I have absolutely no doubt that they would try to torture the terrorists into providing the information.  Moreover, the vast majority of Americans would expect the officers to engage in that time-tested technique for loosening tongues, notwithstanding our unequivocal treaty obligation never to employ torture, no matter how exigent the circumstances. The real question is not whether torture would be used -- it would -- but whether it would be used outside of the law or within the law.  Every democracy, including our own, has employed torture outside of the law. Throughout the years, police officers have tortured murder and rape suspects into confessing -- sometimes truthfully, sometimes not truthfully. 

Failing to acknowledge the moral necessity of torture and doing it secretly causes its spread.
Alan Dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard University, “The Age,” “The Public Must Know If Torture Is Used,” March 15, 2003, Insight, Page 9 http://web.lexisnexis.com/universe/document?_m=76e04fce87f1541ce450dc7fe16cdaeb&_docnum=4&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkVA&_md5=4084923095c1f06c923c3fed44417def
There are compelling arguments on both sides of this issue. The way of the hypocrite - the French way - allows the government to obtain the needed information without publicly compromising its principles, or its treaty obligations. But secret torture is more difficult to control. It can easily move from the ticking mega-bomb scenario to the kidnapping of one child scenario, as it recently did in Germany. The way of public accountability will encourage the drawing of lines, but it will also establish a dangerous precedent and openly acknowledge that no rules are absolute.

Public acknowledgement and torture warrants would prevent the torture from spiraling into common use.
Alan Dershowitz, Professor of Law at Harvard University, “The Age,” “The Public Must Know If Torture Is Used,” March 15, 2003, Insight, Page 9http://web.lexisnexis.com/universe/document?_m=76e04fce87f1541ce450dc7fe16cdaeb&_docnum=4&wchp=dGLbVlz-zSkVA&_md5=4084923095c1f06c923c3fed44417def
It would be hypocritical to the extreme to maintain America's own clean hands by turning Mohammed over to countries that are known to dirty their own hands in secret. Moreover, such a subterfuge would violate the Geneva Convention against all forms of torture. If the US Government concludes that torturing Mohammed is necessary for the protection of lives, it should add a reservation to its treaty obligation with regard to torture. It should publicly announce that it considers it necessary to torture guilty terrorists in order to prevent a ticking bomb from killing many people. It should also set up a process, akin to securing a search warrant, for obtaining authority to apply non-lethal torture to a particular suspect, based on a high level of proof that he is a ticking bomb terrorist. If a democracy is unwilling to legalise limited torture in special circumstances, it should not engage in it.

Neg Extensions

Oppression like torture causes terrorism
Raskin, Jeff. “The Flawed Calculus of Torture” http://humane.sourceforge.net/published/torture.html
Oppression creates terrorism. Every injustice increases the legitimacy and fervor of the opposition (there is a lesson here these days for Israel). Without injustice, acts of terror are random and rare. Being unsystematic, they cannot be entirely prevented, but being rare, they are not a major threat either.

Torture destroy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and makes the government  an enemy of the people.
Raskin, Jeff. “The Flawed Calculus of Torture” http://humane.sourceforge.net/published/torture.html
Our legal system deserves respect because it does not stoop to the tactics of the criminals it judges, no matter how severe the crime or provocation. Torture makes the government the enemy of the people, and threatens us all with the loss of life or liberty. And its use makes impossible -- through perpetual fear -- the pursuit of happiness.

Israel proves that once justified, even in rarer circumstances, torture proliferates.
The Economist “Ends, Means and Barbarity- Torture” January 11, 2003 Lexis-Nexis
In practice, however, attempts to use torture sparingly have quickly led to widespread abuse. The most relevant case is Israel, where the ticking-bomb rationale has been used to justify the "physical coercion" of terrorists during interrogations (Israel has always refused to call it torture). This practice has never been explicitly legalised, but received something close to legal sanction after a commission headed by a former Supreme Court justice recommended in 1987 that "moderate physical pressure" in interrogations should be allowed after psychological pressure had failed. For years after that, the Israeli Supreme Court declined to take torture cases. But the abuse of Palestinian prisoners became so widespread, and so routine, that in 1999 the Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the coercive methods employed by Shin Bet, the security service, were illegal. Nevertheless, according to human-rights groups, the regular torture of Palestinian detainees has continued.

France’s torture of the Algerians spread and was applied indiscriminately.
The Economist “Ends, Means and Barbarity- Torture” January 11, 2003 Lexis-Nexis
Elsewhere, too, torture that seemed justified in special cases has come to be applied almost indiscriminately. During Algeria's revolt against France in the 1950s, torture became the primary method of interrogating Algerian prisoners. It was often accompanied by summary executions of prisoners whether they talked or not, according to General Paul Aussaresses, who carried out many of the interrogations and unabashedly described them in a book which caused an outcry in France. Argentina's junta of 1976-83, facing a real terrorist threat from leftists and claiming to fight in the name of Christianity, routinely used torture which led to the execution of thousands of innocent people.

Torture violates international and domestic law and human rights agreements.
The Economist “Ends, Means and Barbarity- Torture” January 11, 2003 Lexis-Nexis
If America does decide to employ torture systematically against al-Qaeda suspects, it would also have to take wider considerations into account. This decision would be a stark departure. Torture's prohibition has rapidly become one of the most universal features of international and domestic law. All the major human-rights agreements concluded since the second world war contain absolute bans on torture, with no exceptions. No domestic legal system officially allows it. Judging solely by the texts of laws and international agreements, torture is firmly beyond the pale, and torturers are outlaws. Wrestling with a taboo

Torture radicalizes individuals.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
"Torturing radical Islamists makes them more violent," Dr. Suzan Fayed, an Egyptian psychiatrist and human rights activist told the British newspaper The Guardian. The most infamous example is that of Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, an Egyptian Islamist arrested and tortured following the murder of Egyptian president Anwar Sadat in 1981. Many who knew Dr. al-Zawahiri are convinced the torture radicalized his views: After his release, Dr. al-Zawahiri left for Afghanistan, where he met Osama bin Laden and ultimately became the No. 2 man in al-Qaeda.

Even limited use of torture would spread.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
Richard Posner thinks Mr. Dershowitz's argument is too narrowly logical and ignores how people really behave. "If rules are promulgated permitting torture in defined circumstances," Judge Posner wrote in The New Republic, "some officials are bound to want to explore the outer bounds of the rules." Even bright lines can be stretched. Worse, wrote Judge Posner, torture warrants would legitimize torture, and one way or another, that will inevitably lead to more of it. "Having been regularized, the practice will become regular." Israeli experience suggests Judge Posner is right. In 1987, Israel authorized its General Security Service (the Shin Bet) to use what are now known as stress-and-duress techniques -- including sleep-deprivation, forced awkward positions, and "a moderate measure of physical force" -- during interrogations. Guidelines detailed methods and carefully defined when they could be used, and a high-level committee monitored compliance. The ticking-bomb scenario was constantly cited in support of this change, but despite all the safeguards, the use of these techniques rapidly proliferated so that an emergency measure became something close to routine practice.

Information gained from torture is unreliable
Rabbit, Jack. “Why Torture doesn’t Work: A Critique of Alan Dershowitz’ Case for Torture” March 11, 2004 http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/p/11_torture.html
The second problem is that the information gained from a torture victim must be regarded as unreliable. The authorities may torture a suspect (Dershowitz suggests sterile needles placed under fingernails), and he may tell them anything to get them stop. Since the situation is urgent, time is on the side of the terrorist. If he is determined to kill people, he could tell them anything or even nothing at all. The authorities would have to investigate what he says, since they can't assume it is true. Of course, investigating the suspect's statements takes time that the authorities don't have. Torturing the suspect where time is an urgent factor gains the authorities nothing.

Torture destroys the American image in the international community.
Ward, Olivia. “Critics condemn US torture by proxy” The Toronto Star Lexis-Nexis.
But for the U.S., deportation of suspects to countries where torture is conducted by proxy - "rendition" as it is known in American intelligence circles - is part of a larger pattern that is causing alarm, and critics say it's damaging America's image in the international community.

Torture causes permanent damage to its victims
Michel, Elizabeth. “Torture victims never forget but seldom tell” The San Diego Union-Tribune. Lexis-Nexis.
Torture survivors tend to be "invisible." They don't want to talk about their ordeals. They would rather forget. And so they live among us without our knowing what they have endured. But torture survivors never forget. The pain and terror of the past continue in nightmares, flashbacks, intense anxiety, chronic pain and social isolation. These are brave, resilient people, but many cannot settle into new lives in a safer land until they receive help with their political asylum cases, medical care and psychotherapy. During the recent war in Iraq, journalists embedded with U.S. forces showed us the scale of political torture and killing under Saddam Hussein's despotic regime. Whatever good or evil ensues from this war, it has at least offered an unsettling education in torture to any American who is in the habit of reading a newspaper over his morning coffee or watching a nightly newscast before turning in.

All of us can help stop torture by contributing to prevent human rights abuses.
Michel, Elizabeth. “Torture victims never forget but seldom tell” The San Diego Union-Tribune. Lexis-Nexis.
Each of us has something to contribute to the struggle toward human rights both here and abroad. With images of torture so fresh in our minds, we have a special responsibility today to "speak truth" to any power that condones the damage done by torture of any kind.

Justifying torture lets the genie out of the bottle.
Mark Bowden, "The Observer Magazine," "The Persuaders Part 2," October 19, 2003,
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1066043,00.html
A pertinent case study exists in Israel. Israel has been a target of terror attacks for many years, and has wrestled openly with the dilemmas they pose for a democracy. In 1987 a commission led by the retired Israeli Supreme Court justice Moshe Landau wrote a series of recommendations for Michael Koubi and his agents, allowing them to use 'moderate physical pressure' and 'non-violent psychological pressure' in interrogating prisoners who had information that could prevent impending terror attacks. The commission sought to allow such coercion only in 'ticking-bomb scenarios' - that is, when the information withheld by the suspect could save lives.  Twelve years later, the Israeli Supreme Court effectively revoked this permission, banning the use of any and all forms of torture. In the years following the Landau Commission recommendations, the use of coercive methods had become widespread in the Occupied Territories. It was estimated that more than two-thirds of the Palestinians taken into custody were subjected to them. Koubi says that only in rare instances, and with court permission, did he slap, pinch, or shake a prisoner - but he happens to be an especially gifted interrogator. What about the hundreds of men who worked for him? Koubi could not be present for all those interrogations. Every effort to regulate coercion failed. In the abstract it was easy to imagine a ticking-bomb situation, and a suspect who clearly warranted rough treatment. But in real life where was the line to be drawn? Should coercive methods be applied only to someone who knows of an immediately pending attack? What about one who might know of attacks planned for months or years in the future? 'Assuming you get useful information from torture, then why not always use torture?' asks Jessica Montell, the executive director of B'Tselem, a human rights advocacy group in Jerusalem. 'Why stop at the bomb that's already been planted and at people who know where the explosives are? Why not people who are building the explosives, or people who are donating money, or transferring the funds for the explosives? Why stop at the victim himself? Why not torture the victims' families, their relatives? If the end justifies the means, then where would you draw the line?'

Torture is counterproductive- it always comes back to harm those that engage in torture.
Andersen, Martin. “Is torture an option in the war on terror?” Insight on the News. June 17, 2002 Lexis-Nexis.
Anybody with real combat experience understands that torture is counterproductive," says F. Andy Messing, a retired major in the U.S. Special Forces and a conservative leader with the ear of the president. "It is a downhill slope if you engage in it. Everyplace it has been used that I have studied - the French were big for it in Algeria - it comes back and bites you." And, it seems, keeps biting.

Using torture admits to failure and can be used for punishment.
Andersen, Martin. “Is torture an option in the war on terror?” Insight on the News. June 17, 2002 Lexis-Nexis.
"It's a long, slippery slope," Messing emphasizes. "If you are so desperate that you need to torture somebody it means that you've failed in your general mission. You can get only so much out of a strong-willed guy, and these guys [the al-Qaeda detainees] are tough." Others question the reliability of information extracted under duress. "We had people who were willing to confess to anything if the [South Vietnamese] would just stop torturing them," says a Phoenix veteran. "Torture sometimes was used to punish people, not just to get information."

There’s no limit on the magnitude of torture in a ticking bomb scenario.
The Economist “Is torture ever justified?” Jauary 11, 2003
A first point is that the "ticking-bomb" scenario is not as clarifying as one would wish. If torture is to be allowed, then how much cruelty would be permitted? Would threats against the prisoner's family be all right? His neighbours? His country? Even the extreme circumstance of a "ticking-bomb" threat offers no clear guidance to how far you might go.

Torture is difficult to contain and can be justified to use on anyone that the terrorist knows.
The Economist “Is torture ever justified?” Jauary 11, 2003
But the bigger problem is with Mr Dershowitz's solution. Even if you allow, as many will not, that torture might be justified under the most extreme circumstaehpe, it would be difficult to confine its use to those very rare cases. Any system that allowed torture in tightly controlled situations would risk eroding into wider use. To legalise is to encourage. Israel tried to limit use of physical coercion to extreme cases, but its security forces have ended up using such methods far more widely than was initially foreseen.

Torture violates human dignity
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
Relying on a similar notion of human dignity, philosopher Immanuel Kant opposed torture on the basis that it improperly used people as a means to achieve an end. As part of his categorical imperative, Kant asserted that humans should always be treated as an end and never as a means. Kant would therefore object to torturing the ticking bomb terrorist because this would violate the terrorist's autonomy, the basis of human dignity, for the end purpose of preventing a massive terrorist attack. In this light, the utilitarian justification for torturing the ticking bomb terrorist is unconvincing in that it considers the human life of the terrorist as merely a means for saving other lives.

Torture violates international law
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
Not only does the notion of human dignity underlie the moral arguments against torture, but it also serves as the basis of international legal prohibitions against torture. The United States is bound by two covenants that expressly prohibit torture: the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) and the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment  or Punishment (UN Convention Against Torture). Article 7 of the ICCPR states that "no one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."  Article 10 of the ICCPR states that "all persons deprived of their liberty shall be treated with humanity and with respect for the inherent dignity of the human person." Likewise, the UN Convention Against Torture prohibits torture on the basis that humans are endowed with "inalienable rights" that "derive from the inherent dignity of the human person . . . ." Article 2 of the UN Convention Against Torture states that "no exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture." n70 These two international treaties therefore prohibit torture because it would infringe upon the inviolable right to human dignity.
Even in the context of the ticking bomb scenario, these international treaties would most likely prohibit torturing the terrorist suspect. Indeed, in 1999 the High Court of Justice in Israel ruled against using torture to interrogate terrorist suspects because it violates international conventions and "infringes on both the suspect's dignity and his individual privacy." Later that same year, the Supreme Court of Israel determined that neither the government nor the GSS possess the authority to use "liberty infringing physical means" during the interrogation of terrorist suspects "unless these means are inherently accessory to the very essence of an interrogation and are both fair and reasonable." With this in mind, the use of torture against the ticking bomb terrorist in the United States would most likely be prohibited by the ICCPR and the UN Convention Against Torture.

Torture violates the principles of the constitution
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
United States constitutional law would further prohibit torturing the ticking bomb terrorist. The basis of this prohibition has been most prominently established through case law addressing the Due Process Clause of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments and the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unreasonable searches and seizures.

Justice outweighs the chance that torture will be successful.
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
Yet, if our nation must pay a price, it is better to invest our current energies in identifying and strengthening proposals that minimize the risk of infringing liberty, than in devising a complex judicially sanctioned torture system that undermines human dignity. If the hard choice is between two evils in the name of national security, it would be better to risk minimal amounts of our liberty rather than to sacrifice all of our human dignity.

Torture is immoral because it violates human rights.
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
In his book, Why Terrorism Works: Understanding the Threat, Responding to the Challenge, Alan Dershowitz argues in favor of judicially sanctioned torture of the ticking bomb terrorist. He argues that this proposal will minimize and prevent the use of torture against ticking bomb terrorists by creating a democratic system of accountability. Although Dershowitz offers compelling arguments in favor of judicially sanctioned torture, his proposal is both morally and legally reprehensible.

Terrorism can be soled through other methods- torture abandons our founding principles which means the terrorists have won.
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
The threat of terrorism facing our nation today is a large scale problem that would be more appropriately addressed by focusing on methods of increasing national security without infringing on human dignity. While it is tempting to anticipate the ticking bomb scenario and to analyze ways to properly torture the ticking bomb terrorist, our efforts would be more effectively served by upholding the fundamental values and principles underlying our democracy. After all, the war against terrorism is not simply a military battle, but it is also a battle to defend our national values, including human dignity, justice, and the rule of law. To resort to judicially sanctioned torture as a means of preserving national security would be to abandon the most basic principles of democracy and capitulate to the goals of terrorism. Surely, this must not be allowed.

Torture can backfire: Argentina proves this.
Solomon, Alisa. “The case against torture” The Village Voice November 28, 2001 http://villagevoice.com/issues/0148/fsolomon.php
There is no proof that torture works. Sometimes, according to a 1963 CIA training manual, it backfires: "If an interrogatee is caused to suffer pain rather late in the interrogation process and after other tactics have failed," the manual says, "he is almost certain to conclude that the interrogator is becoming desperate. Interrogatees who have withstood pain are more difficult to handle by other methods. The effect has been not to repress the subject, but to restore his confidence and maturity." On the other hand, those who cannot withstand pain will often say anything to make their abusers let up: admit to things they know nothing about, give the names of anyone they ever met, deliberately provide disinformation. That was certainly the case during the Dirty War in Argentina, says Marguerite Feitlowitz, author of Lexicon of Terror: Argentina and the Legacies of Torture, a study for which she interviewed dozens of torturers and their victims. "Apart from being atrocious, inhumane, and against international law," she says, "torture doesn't yield much. It's just not effective." Indeed, that's one reason coerced self-incriminating testimony is not admissible in court—though in military tribunals, such as those President Bush has called for, such evidentiary rules would not apply.

Torture leads to dehumanization and violation of rights.
Solomon, Alisa. “The case against torture” The Village Voice November 28, 2001 http://villagevoice.com/issues/0148/fsolomon.php
Torturers must dehumanize their victims in order to do their jobs, Marton and Feitlowitz agree, and typically they can find validation in the prevailing attitudes of the culture more generally. For instance, imagery and policies that depict criminals as depraved and irredeemable contribute to a climate in which U.S. guards feel justified in using electroshock stunbelts on inmates (a practice condemned as torture by Amnesty International last year); Feitlowitz's book details how the terminology of the Dirty War made barbaric deeds in Argentina palatable; the citizens who serve in Israel's army hear Palestinians described as vermin by some of the highest leaders of the land.
In turn, the abuse of human rights has corrosive effects on society at large. "If you turn the dignity of the human body and soul to rubbish when you are on duty," says Marton, "you can't help but bring that attitude home. You can't compartmentalize the violence. So Israeli men kill each other over a parking place. Or—as we've seen this year as the violence of putting down the new intifada has intensified—the number of rapes and domestic violence cases rises sharply."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Blocks for Affirmative against Negative arguments:
(A/T = Answers To:)
A/T      Torture violates rights.
1)
   Terrorism violates rights.  It violates rights to property, liberty, and life.  Torture is a method to prevent these violations of rights.
2)   Enemy combatants forfeit their rights when they opt to use force and threaten lives. 
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
There is an important difference between terrorists and their victims that should mute talk of the terrorists' "rights." The terrorist's victims are at risk unintentionally, not having asked to be endangered. But the terrorist knowingly initiated his actions. Unlike his victims, he volunteered for the risks of his deed. By threatening to kill for profit or idealism, he renounces civilized standards, and he can have no complaint if civilization tries to thwart him by whatever means necessary.
3) Not all torture violates rights. 
Mark Bowden, "The Observer Magazine," "The Persuaders Part 1," October 19, 2003, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,1066041,00.html
Then there are methods that, some people argue, fall short of torture. Called 'torture lite', these include sleep deprivation, exposure to heat or cold, the use of drugs to cause confusion, rough treatment (slapping, shoving or shaking), forcing a prisoner to stand for days at a time or to sit in uncomfortable positions, and playing on his fears for himself and his family. Although excruciating for the victim, these tactics generally leave no permanent marks and do no lasting physical harm.
4) Terrorists choose to endanger themselves to threaten the lives of the innocent.  They are responsible for what happens to them.
5) The rules of war of dictate that we can kill in defense of the nation.  If we can kill, we can torture.  (Cross-apply my analysis from my Affirmative case.
6) Foreign agents or enemy combatants exist outside of the jurisdiction of the US justice system.  They have no legal protection.
7) Granting rights to foreign terrorists would make fighting the war on terror impossible as we would have to put each one on trial, military commanders would have to leave the battlefield to testify, and our own soldiers would be placed on trial.  There would be no way to conduct the war.

A/T       Torture is impossible to contain and will become common.
1)       The resolution only requires the affirmative to defend torture to prevent terrorist acts.  The affirmative does not have to justify the spread of torture.
2)
       The saving of thousands or millions of lives is always going to outweigh the harm of torturing even several hundred people.
3)
       This is empirically denied, the US uses stress and duress techniques now but are not torturing non-terror suspects.
4)
       The US citizens are within the jurisdiction of the US court system and have the rights that foreign enemy combatants do not.
5)
       This is empirically denied as the US has been using torture in emergencies since it’s founding and the rule of law still applies.
6)
       Successful interrogations actually reduce the need for further torture.  (Cross-apply the Bowden analysis from my sub-point C.)
7)
       Paralysis in the face of terrorism is worse. 
 a.
       It will allow countless to die. 
 b.
       While allowing torture may have a slight risk of damaging the psyche of the torturer, allowing countless to die will undoubtedly cause more damage to the person who could have acted.

A/T       Torture violates international law.
1)       That is not a moral issue.  Morality trumps legality.
2)
       International law grants us the right to defend ourselves.  (Cross-Apply the Schaefer evidence from my first observation.)
3)
       The theory of international law is suspect as law requires an overarching enforcement agency and thus far, none exist to enforce what is called international law.
4)
       The impacts of terrorist attacks clearly outweigh any repercussions of violating international law.5) International law is vague and does allow for some forms of torture. 
The Economist “Ends, Means and Barbarity- Torture” January 11, 2003 Lexis-Nexis
The definition of torture in international treaties is either so broad as to rule out even normal interrogation methods widely accepted in democracies, or vague enough to allow some practices which might seem harsh. For example, the Convention Against Torture of 1984 states that torture "does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions." In the case of potentially dangerous and suicidally determined terrorist suspects, a lawyer might argue, this allows the stress involved in some physical restraints, as well as bright lights, prolonged interrogations, mild sleep deprivation and the withholding of some creature comforts.

A/T      Torture violates domestic law/the Constitution.
1)
      The Constitution exists to protect the citizens of the United States.
2)
      This is not a moral issue.  Morality trumps legality.
3)
      Failing to torture can violate the purpose of the Constitution, which is to provide for the common defense.  (Cross-apply my analysis from the affirmative case.)
4) Torture does not violate domestic law.  Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
Proponents of torturing the ticking bomb terrorist justify the practice from a legal standpoint as well. Dershowitz argues that the United States Constitution does not prohibit torturing the ticking bomb terrorist. That is, if the terrorist suspect is granted immunity from incrimination, the Fifth Amendment prohibition against self-incrimination would not be implicated because the information revealed by the suspect would not be used against the suspect at trial. Dershowitz further contends that the due process standard of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments would not prohibit torturing the ticking bomb terrorist because such a terrorist is not owed the same kind of due process that is owed to an ordinary criminal defendant. Moreover, Dershowitz notes that the Eighth Amendment prohibition against "cruel and unusual punishment" does not apply in this situation because the ticking bomb terrorist has not yet been convicted. Thus, under Dershowitz's theory, while the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendment protections would bar other uses of torture, they do not bar the use of torture in the particular "ticking bomb" circumstance.

A/T      Torture won’t work

1.) Terrorists will give in to torture because they abandon their loyalty to their groups.  (Cross apply supboint B- The Bowden card explains this hierarchy of loyalty).
2.) Even small successes allow interrogators to gain more information (Cross apply Subpoint C- Bowden argues that this information can be used to penetrate terrorist organizations).
3.) The statements of terrorist can be verified easily by intelligence agencies
4.) Doing nothing won’t work either- even if torture does has a low success rate, it’s much more successful than doing nothing.
5.) Torture has worked successfully in the past (Cross apply subpoint A- the Washington Post evidence indicates stress and duress techniques work)
6.) Torture has prevented terrorist attacks in the past.
Jonathan Alter, “Newsweek,” “Time to think about Torture,” November 5, 2001
Some torture clearly works. Jordan broke the most notorious terrorist of the 1980s, Abu Nidal, by threatening his family. Philippine police reportedly helped crack the 1993 World Trade Center bombings (plus a plot to crash 11 U.S. airliners and kill the pope) by convincing a suspect that they were about to turn him over to the Israelis. Then there’s painful Islamic justice, which has the added benefit of greater acceptance among Muslims.

A/T      Torture Is Immoral
1.)Morality exists to protect lives- if torture protects lives then it’s moral. 
2.) Emergencies often suspend the rules of normal morality. 
Steve Chapman. “The Chicago Tribune Online Edition,” “Should we use torture to stop terrorism?,” November 1, 2001
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0111010225nov01.column
The question posed above is easy to answer. No one could possibly justify sacrificing millions of lives to spare a murderous psychopath a brief spell of intense pain, which he can end by his own choice. When the threat is so gigantic and the solution so simple, we are all in the camp of the Shakespeare character who said, "There is no virtue like necessity."  This indulgence of reality requires no great rethinking of fundamental principles. Rules that suffice for normal circumstances often have to be suspended for emergencies. We have laws against burglary and theft, and for good reason: Society couldn't function if homes and property had no protection. But if a starving plane-crash victim stranded in the wild broke into a locked cabin to get food, he wouldn't be sent to prison.
3.) For the government to fail to meet its obligation to protect its citizens is immoral.
4.) Asking someone to not act when they capture a terrorist and allow millions to die is immoral.
5.) The neg’s argument requires an absolutist moral mindset- morality needs to be flexible to meet the needs of different situations.
6.) There’s no benefit to this standard of morality if thousands of people are going to be killed because they require the valuation of guilty lives over innocent lives.
7.) Limiting the US right to self-defense is, in reality, a limit on the right to life and is, therefore, immoral.
8.) We have a moral obligation to use torture in some circumstances.
Michael Levin, "The Case for Torture," http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/torture.html
It is generally assumed that torture is impermissible, a throwback to a more brutal age. Enlightened societies reject it outright, and regimes suspected of using it risk the wrath of the United States. I believe this attitude is unwise. There are situations in which torture is not merely permissible but morally mandatory. Moreover, these situations are moving from the realm of imagination to fact.

 

Blocks for Negative against Affirmative Arguments-
A/T The Ticking Bomb Scenario

1.) Torture doesn’t solve ticking bomb scenarios because it would take too long.
Rabbit, Jack. “Why Torture doesn’t Work: A Critique of Alan Dershowitz’ Case for Torture” March 11, 2004 http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/03/p/11_torture.html
Even in the scenario as given, we are told that the bombs are planted in some undisclosed apartment buildings throughout the city. With so little time, the authorities' efforts might be better spent evacuating any potential target in order to save lives. Torturing the suspect won't help get people out of apartment buildings. Thus, the ticking bomb case fails to show how it is necessary to torture the suspect in order to save lives.

2.) There’s no limit on the magnitude of torture in a ticking bomb scenario.
The Economist “Is torture ever justified?” Jauary 11, 2003
A first point is that the "ticking-bomb" scenario is not as clarifying as one would wish. If torture is to be allowed, then how much cruelty would be permitted? Would threats against the prisoner's family be all right? His neighbours? His country? Even the extreme circumstance of a "ticking-bomb" threat offers no clear guidance to how far you might go.

3.) The ticking bomb scenario justifies unlimited torture to an unlimited number of people.
The Economist “Is torture ever justified?” Jauary 11, 2003
But the bigger problem is with Mr Dershowitz's solution. Even if you allow, as many will not, that torture might be justified under the most extreme circumstaehpe, it would be difficult to confine its use to those very rare cases. Any system that allowed torture in tightly controlled situations would risk eroding into wider use. To legalise is to encourage. Israel tried to limit use of physical coercion to extreme cases, but its security forces have ended up using such methods far more widely than was initially foreseen.

4.) There’s no clear case of ticking bomb scenario
Solomon, Alisa. “The case against torture” The Village Voice November 28, 2001 http://villagevoice.com/issues/0148/fsolomon.php
The Israelis made much of their ability to use "moderate physical pressure" to save hundreds of lives in "ticking bomb" cases—that is, on occasions when a confession can lead directly to the prevention of an imminent attack. Nonetheless, according to Dr. Ruchama Marton, the founder of Israel's Physicians for Human Rights and coeditor of Torture: Human Rights, Medical Ethics and the Case of Israel, even the staunchest defenders of the most aggressive interrogation methods never provided details of a single specific case in which torture led to the immediate deactivating of a ticking bomb. "Anyway," Marton asks, "how long is it ticking? Is it going off in 10 minutes, or two hours, or three weeks? In reality, there is no such thing as a clear case of the ticking bomb."

5.) There would never be certainty in a ticking bomb scenario.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
First, there's the problem of certainty. The ticking-bomb scenario assumes the police know with absolute certainty that there is a bomb and they have the man who placed it. But, says William Aceves, a law professor at California Western School of Law in San Diego, "the problem is you probably will never find a case where you know for a fact that that bomb is there or that this person has that information."

6.) ‘Torture Lite’ won’t work in a ticking bomb scenario.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis
Another attempted short-circuit is the idea that so-called "stress-and-duress" interrogation techniques -- sleep and food deprivation, constant noise, forcing prisoners into awkward positions, etc. -- could be used. This shouldn't trouble us morally, some say, because these techniques don't cause enough suffering to be "real torture," as one writer put it. This argument is simply wrong -- stress-and-duress does inflict terrible suffering and it is torture. And stress-and-duress methods take time, so they would be useless in the classic ticking-bomb scenario. The debate cannot be dodged this way.

7.) Interrogators could never know if they had the right person so unnecessary torture would be used.
8.) Hypothetically, every situation could be a ticking bomb scenario- there’s not briteline for what is short enough amount of time to justify torture.

A/T      Torture promotes national security

1.) National security doesn’t have to be sacrificed for human rights.
Sung, Chanterelle, Staff Writer, “BOOK REVIEW: Torturing the Ticking Bomb Terrorist:”Boston College Third World Law Journal Lexis-Nexis
By expanding the framework of Dershowitz's inquiry, however, the cost of upholding human dignity need not be the sacrifice of national security. It is possible to refrain from judicially sanctioned torture by developing alternative, less invasive means of upholding  national security. Dershowitz himself offers alternative ways to increase security: issuing national identification cards, restricting immigration, increasing the number of security checkpoints, increasing the presence of electronic surveillance, and improving our intelligence system. By developing these alternative measures of increasing national security, law enforcement officials and citizens may be able to gather evidence of imminent terrorist plots before having to resort to torturing the ticking bomb terrorist for such information.

2.) Using torture admits to failure and can be used for punishment.
Andersen, Martin. “Is torture an option in the war on terror?” Insight on the News. June 17, 2002 Lexis-Nexis.
"It's a long, slippery slope," Messing emphasizes. "If you are so desperate that you need to torture somebody it means that you've failed in your general mission. You can get only so much out of a strong-willed guy, and these guys [the al-Qaeda detainees] are tough." Others question the reliability of information extracted under duress. "We had people who were willing to confess to anything if the [South Vietnamese] would just stop torturing them," says a Phoenix veteran. "Torture sometimes was used to punish people, not just to get information."

3.) Torture hampers the War on Terror.
The Economist “Is torture ever justified?” Jauary 11, 2003
If America were to sanction torture, to begin with in extremely rare cases, there might be some immediate gains in security. Much as one would like to believe that torture never succeeds in extracting vital information, history says otherwise. But, for the democratic West, any such gains would be outweighed by greater harm. The prohibition against torture expresses one of the West's most powerful taboos--and some taboos (like that against the use of nuclear weapons) are worth preserving even at heavy cost. Though many authoritarian regimes use torture, not one of even these openly admits it. A decision by the United States to employ some forms of torture, no matter how limited the circumstances, would shatter the taboo. The morale of the West in what may be a long war against terrorism would be gravely set back: to stay strong, the liberal democracies need to be certain that they are better than their enemies.

4.) Torture would radicalize groups and decrease securty
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
Torture can also radicalize whole peoples, as victims become "living martyrs" for their cause and their families, clans and tribes are driven into opposition. Torture can convince moderates "that the regime deserves destroying because it does not respect the dignity of people
," Hafiz Abu Sa'eda, the head of the Egyptian Organization for Human Rights, told The Guardian. Many observers feel this is exactly what happened in Algeria in the 1950s and 1960s: The French military successfully used torture to crack terrorist rings, but the brutality drove the previously passive Algerian population into mass rebellion.

5.) Torture threatens everyone’s rights because it allows the government to define what is moral.  (Cross apply the Raskin evidence from subpoint B)
6.) There’s no value to national security when the nation at hand treats people the way it does.
7.) Denying the rights of foreigners undermines our quest to promote human rights and dignity abroad which creates a hostile world that is a threat to the US.

A/T      Torture is an effective method to obtain information.

1.) Torture has a low success rate.
Raskin, Jeff. “The Flawed Calculus of Torture” http://humane.sourceforge.net/published/torture.html
For each such success, there are thousands who are tortured or murdered on the guess that they will reveal valuable information. More often than not, as history shows, they do not possess the information sought or do not have the power to do what the torturer wishes them to.

2.) It’s empirically proven that those who are tortured will fail to give credible information and admit to anything.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
The tendency of torture to produce false information is so well documented no one seriously disputes it, but that doesn't prove that torture never produces valid information. In a ruling that forbade the use of stress-and-duress techniques, for example, the Israeli Supreme Court accepted that some terrorist attacks had been foiled by the use of the techniques in interrogations.

3.) Those that are being torture could be in too much physical or psychological shock to give credible information even if they wanted to.

4.) It doesn’t matter if torture works or not- it is immoral in every instance.
Gardner, Dan. “A Choice of Evils” Ottawa Citizen. Lexis-Nexis.
The first of these is the idea -- common to some schools of philosophy -- that an evil act remains evil even if it has very good consequences. Torture is always wrong and must always be forbidden, this reasoning goes, even if a particular act of torture were to save many lives.

 

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Overviews

Aff Case Overview
The negative has never refuted the basic thesis of my case.  Extend my first contention: the US government as a moral obligation to protect its citizens from foreign threats.  If it fails to do this, then it is an illegitimate government.  I proved that torture works (Extend sub-point a from my first contention).  Even though torture may be distasteful, it is essential to maintaining national security.  Only the affirmative can achieve this.

Neg Case Overview
Even if the aff proves that torture is practical, the aff hasn't proven its moral.  The aff has failed to link practicality to morality.  I offer you a specifc moral standard and have proven with each sub-point in my first contention how torture is immoral.  It doesn't matter if it works; the resolution is asking us to determine if it is moral.  There are many means which could lead to a specific end, but it doesn't mean that each of those means is moral.  Torture denies human dignity and threatens everyone in society.  Thus it is immoral.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Pre-Flows

AFF Case

Value- legitimate govt.
(fulfills the purpose it
was created for)

Preamble- purpose of
the US gov.t is to provide
defense against attacks

Criterion- National securty

Definitions-
1.) torture- inflicting pain as
punishment or to persuade
2.)vital- key to existence
3.)terrorist act- use of vio-
lence against civilians for
political goals
4.)foreign-subject to the juris-
diction of another political unit

Observation 1- American
people have a moral right to
exist and to self-defense
xSchaefer -As members of
the UN we have the right to
self defense

Observation 2: In self- de-
fense the US can kill-
terrorists forfeit rights

Contention 1: Torture works
A. It has worked in the past
xPriest & Gellman -stress and
duress has yielded results in
the War on Terror

B. Hierarchy of Loyalty-
xBowden- terrorists will give
up loyalty to their groups
when tortured

C. Successfull interrogations
decrease the need for future torture
xBowden- bits of info help
 penetrate terrorist organizations

D. Sometimes there's
no time for other methods
xLevin- Ex. if there's
a ticking bomb in Manhattan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

NEG Case

Value- a moral society
(moral = conforming to standards
of what's right/just)

-In a moral society human
dignity can be recognized.

Criterion-Kant's Formula of the
End (people should never be
treated as a means to an end)
Torture uses people as a means
to achieve and end. (Torture =
infliction of intense pain to coerce)

Contention 1: Torture is always
immoral

A. Torture denies the human dignity
xRodly- torture leads to dehumanization

B. Torture threatens rights of everyone
in society
xRaskin

C. The US can't discourage torture in
other nations when it uses torture
xGardner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


 

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